Do we need to know what hashing algorithm is employed to protect passwords at rest in regard to PCI DSS Requirement 8.2.1?

We're using a wireless access point (Yamaha WLX302) in the development branch of our payment service division.

It has a password-protected admin console where the password is hashed (or encrypted-- we can't tell) at rest. According to PCI DSS Requirement 8.2.1, we are required to verify that passwords are rendered unreadable during transmission or storage.

Our QSA insisted that we were required to identify the hash/encryption algorithm but since the manual didn't say anything about algorithm and the password hashes were completely hidden from the console*1, we asked the vendor what algorithm was used to securely store the admin password. The vendor did not agree to disclose the algorithm in use.

So, the questions are:

  1. Do we actually need to identify the hash algorithm of the passwords to be PCI-compliant?
  2. Can we still be PCI-compliant without an administrative access to the password hashes?
    2.1. Since we can't see the passwords/hashes, we can't tell if they're even properly hashed*2. Are we still covered?

*1: This prevents even the admin from viewing the hashed passwords so we have absolutely no idea in what format the passwords are at rest-- hence they're indeed unreadable, I think.

*2: At least we can instruct via the console command to encrypt the passwords at rest, but what if there's a security bug that all passwords are actually stored in plaintext regardless of the configuration?

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    Why is a wireless access point even in scope? May 22, 2017 at 11:24
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    @CodesInChaos - Presumably, because it's part of the network? A better question would be whether the development network (which presumably can't reach the production one) should be in scope in the first place.
    – Bobson
    May 22, 2017 at 12:24
  • Thank you two for your responses. The wireless access point is providing a network that can indirectly reach the production environment for management and deployment purposes. As it is possible to administer the production environment from this network, the access point is in PCI scope. May 23, 2017 at 10:30
  • Hi @MosheKatz, the access point is WLX302, made by Yamaha Corporation. Its admin interface is rather Cisco-like but noticeably different. It's only available in Japan so I'm afraid I don't think there's an English manual available. May 24, 2017 at 5:02

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The key phrase in 8.2.1 is 'Strong Cryptography' which is defined in the glossary as:

Cryptography based on industry-tested and accepted algorithms, along with strong key lengths (minimum 112-bits of effective key strength) and proper key-management practices. Cryptography is a method to protect data and includes both encryption (which is reversible) and hashing (which is not reversible, or “one way”). See Hashing At the time of publication, examples of industry-tested and accepted standards and algorithms include AES (128 bits and higher), TDES/TDEA (triple-length keys), RSA (2048 bits and higher), ECC (224 bits and higher), and DSA/D-H (2048/224 bits and higher). See NIST Special Publication 800-57 Part 1 (http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/) for more guidance on cryptographic key strengths and algorithms.

My advice would be to copy this definition and ask the manufacturer whether the storage of passwords complies with this definition of strong cryptography or the definition of hashing (also in the glossary). If the manufacturer says yes then your QSA has to be satisfied.

If the answer is no (and if the manufacturer refuses to answer you can assume that means no) then you’re probably going to have to look at compensating controls or evidence that the password store itself is inaccessible (or regretting your purchase) or further segmentation such that a compromise of the password database would have no effect on the security of the CDE.

  • I don't agree that the QSA has to be satisfied, but it is a good case to make, at least.
    – schroeder
    May 24, 2017 at 10:55
  • They still refused to tell anything about the encryption/hashing algorithm so I guess I'll have to either remove the access point from the admin network or consider implementing a compensating control. Thanks! May 26, 2017 at 5:31

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