Until now I have used a laptop that has a single folder encrypted (using filevault2) containing my passwords and bank stuffs.

I am getting a new laptop that encourages full-disk encryption. This would be attractive, but I want to be able to hand my laptop to a colleague or student for half an hour while we're working on a shared project, and not need to even to worry about password security.

Conceivably this could be done by having an encrypted folder nested inside the whole-disk encryption (two layers of encryption).

Is this a bad idea? The encrypted folder (bank details, etc.) is not heavily used.

  • Does FileValt2 support multiple encryption slots? If so, you could temporarily add another password, and revoke it after. Or you could use the guest user (which doesn't allow disk access but does allow access to the internet).
    – forest
    Commented Dec 24, 2017 at 1:59

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Nested encryption is usable as an access-control, but doesn't help against all the other problems you get with sharing identities/systems which is something you may want to consider as well.

Handing an unlocked laptop over to someone else is pretty much always a bad idea, if only for attribution. Don’t share accounts, including computer accounts. Pretty much all modern systems allow for easy multi-user computing with fast user switching. If you both need to work on the same file, Apple, Microsoft and Google support this using iWork, Office and Docs.

Computers and user accounts are personal items. Treat them like your underwear: you should be the only user.

To elaborate on the 'handing over an unlocked system' part, this basically means that you are no longer in control of what happens from that point onward. Even without malice in mind, this is not something you should accept. Because the system is 'yours' and your account is 'you', this means that everything that happens on that system is attributed to you. At the same time, many external systems might still assume that if it is your system accessing or doing something, it must mean it is 'you' doing the thing or accessing the stuff. It cannot differentiate who is at the controls, only what requests are made and served.

A scenario:

You hand over your unlocked system to someone else and need to do something somewhere else where you no longer have the machine and its user in sight. At that point, the (non-malicious) user might be doing the intended thing, like looking up some data or filling in some forms. A popup might appear, or a site might be visited which after interaction or sometimes even without interaction persistent malware is introduced to the system. The user might not know this, or might not care, or forget about it or even assume this is intended as your system might be setup in a way that is different from what this user is used to. You return and after the user is finished, you get to work on your machine. The persistent malware now tracks all activity and some NDA'ed information gets leaked. This information just happens to be watermarked with your identity, and turns up somewhere. Now you're on the hook for leaking information that should not be publicised and they can prove it is yours because of the watermarking. Now it is up to you to prove that it was stolen/extracted/leaked and not something you intended to have happen.

While this often can be resolved, it will still take a lot of time, resources and attention which could have been spent on other things of your choosing.

Instead of having anything like this happen, you could also just setup the system in a way that prevents this from happening in the first place, but still retain the possibility to work together on the same data or applications. This can be done in a number of ways, for example:

  • Work on separate accounts, share data as needed
  • Work on systems that are intended for collaboration
  • Use the OS-provided guest account and share data using the guest-accessible storage methods (i.e. the read-only Public and write-only Drop Box directories on macOS)

Many of the security-related issues translate into possible wastes of resources/time in case something does go wrong, and not immediately loss of resources/life/access. Preventing something from happening by using a suitable method of collaboration is the key in most cases. While this answer is rather large and possibly contains duplicate information from other Q&A posts, I hope this describes enough reasons to look for better ways to achieve your goal.

  • I do not think this addressed the original question. I am not as paranoid as you, and iWork and such things really only support editing for office formats, so are not applicable. Further, I would reather share my files with my colleague than with a cloud provider. In fact I need to share with them.
    – Bull
    Commented Dec 24, 2017 at 5:16
  • Perhaps the usage can be explained better: A Phd student and I are working on a project together. I basically trust the student. I hand my laptop to him to look at my results. Complex stuff, so he needs a few minutes to examine. While this is happening, I want to be able to attend to other things, including be on the phone or go to the toilet or mailroom for a minute (possibly including getting involved in a hallway conversation with a colleague).
    – Bull
    Commented Dec 24, 2017 at 5:18
  • However, your answer does suggest an alternate approach, to make an open guest account, and give it file permissions to everything except my private folder. In fact I think I used to do this before encryption arrived.
    – Bull
    Commented Dec 24, 2017 at 5:28
  • I'll edit my answer a bit so explain my position and the alternatives offered, that should help. Commented Dec 24, 2017 at 16:06
  • You have raised some valid concerns for some people (such as your self maybe) however they are not my worries. My only worry is about someday hackers get my credit card and I get a call from the bank. It happens to people, I just don't want to have to wonder for one second if my colleague could have been involved. I view the computer more similarly to my house or car, something that can be shared with a trusted person after careful thought, not something that can never be shared.
    – Bull
    Commented Dec 25, 2017 at 9:43

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