When Lotus Notes asks for the password, it displays a screen with a picture that appears to change after a new character is entered after the fifth character.

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I have noticed the sequence of pictures is the same between closing and reopening Lotus Notes. Is this to distract an attacker from looking at the keyboard as someone types? Has this ever been proven effective? Also as far as I can tell a random amount of x's are added after each character is typed in. I guess this is so an attacker can't see the password length, but is there a point to having anything at all because the user doesn't know how many characters are typed?

EDIT: for what it's worth I didn't even realize the pictures were the same each time I typed in a password.

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    This un-thing still exists? Aug 27, 2013 at 10:57
  • What is "un-thing" and are you speaking English?
    – Celeritas
    Aug 28, 2013 at 8:02
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    I translated the German "unding" (=absurdity, something preposterous) syllable-wise to emphasize just how absurd everything I learned about Lotus Notes is. Incidentally it's a nice wordplay on unthinkable as well... Aug 28, 2013 at 8:38
  • Did Notes always suck or did IBM screw it up?
    – Celeritas
    Aug 28, 2013 at 8:41
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    IDK, but you can find rants about this dating back long time. The now defunct but archived lotusnotessucks has been around since 2005, and I think it has also been mentioned on multiple occasions on TDWTF, e.g. here and here (Warning: May consume your time). From all I read about it I am glad I never had to use it, but who knows what the future holds... Aug 28, 2013 at 8:48

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There is some information on this defunct page. Apparently, the idea that the "moving picture" is there to distract shoulder surfers is widespread, and wrong. That's not how this picture works; what it does is actually worse, although it proceeds from good intentions.

When you type the password letters, Lotus employs a "fairly complicated" but deterministic algorithm to map the password as entered to a picture; this basically is a hash function with a very small output size (the output is a "value" in the set of possible pictures). It is possible that the said hash function includes some server-specific secret, but it won't matter much. The real point is that, as you observe, when you enter your password you always end up with the same picture for a given password. The good intention is to achieve the two following properties:

  • Give an early visual warning as to whether the password was entered correctly or not; the user will soon learn the sequence of pictures for his own password, and thus if a picture changes, then the user knows that he typed the wrong key at that point (or possible a few characters before).

  • An attacker who tries to mimic this login popup and make the user type his password in a fake popup would supposedly find it "difficult" to recompute the pictures and display them correctly.

The second reason is pure baloney, when you think about it: the "complicated algorithm" cannot be kept secret (especially if the fake popup is actually a man-in-the-middle attack and the true popup is used under the covers to get the actual pictures), and making pictures which move on the screen is really easy: that's what 99.9% of the Web is about.

The first reason, however, includes the seeds of destruction: this leaks information on the password. The pictures are on the screen and very visible; quite prominent, even. The "shoulder surfer" can see them from afar. And he can use them to prune out potential passwords. Indeed, if there are four possible pictures, then this leaks 2 bits per character: for an 8-character password, which would have, realistically, about 30 bits of entropy, this is then reduced to a meagre 14 bits.

Indeed, this feature is analogous to a system which would write on the screen, in big letters, and for each password character: "this character is a digit" / "this character is an uppercase letter between A and M" / ...

Therefore, this "picture" system is downright dangerous and should be banned.

As for the password length, the number of characters is very easy to get for the attacker, because each key stroke is highly audible. The shoulder surfer just needs to be within earshot of the victim, and could easily record the sequence with his smartphone to listen it later on, suitable slowed down, and thus obtain the password length. Under these conditions, hiding the length from the user himself is pointless.

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    I don't understand the general hate for this concept and I am not convinced that it is that fundamentally dangerous. Yes it leaks information, but can you really say it leaks 2 bit per character if you only attribute 3.75 bit per character? I believe it would completely reasonable to factor the entropy leak and still come up with a perfectly secure password policy. So at the end you the trade this feature for a more restrictive password policy - which may or may not be an overall gain in usability.
    – Zulan
    Aug 26, 2013 at 18:16
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    Yes, I can really say that. If there are four possible pictures, then it mathematically leaks exactly 2 bits per character. This is unavoidable.
    – Tom Leek
    Aug 26, 2013 at 18:21
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    But this is under the assumption that the attacker doesn't already know any of these "two bits". If you say each character has only 3.75 bits, then you already know a lot about that character. To stick to your analogy 3.75 bit would be a password which only contains lower case [a-m] - then "this character is a lower case a-m" does not reveal any additional information.
    – Zulan
    Aug 26, 2013 at 18:44
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    The "3.75 bits" is on average. For a given first half of a password, the next character can be one among a set of "possible characters" which is not all the characters because humans choose cheesy passwords; e.g. after "P@Ssw" the next character will probably be an "o" or "O" or "0". Since the "picture" is a hash which is (on average) uniform over possible value, about 1/4th of possible next characters will actually match the observed picture, so the attacker will not have to try all possible next characters there, only 1/4th of them. And THAT is a reduction of entropy by 2 bits.
    – Tom Leek
    Aug 26, 2013 at 19:16
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    That is exactly what I mean. If the next character is "o" or "O" or "0" anyway - then the attacker does not have to try 1/4th of the options, but 1/3rd (1.585). Actually it is even worse for the attacker since it is unlikely that 3 characters will map to unique 2-bit hashes. You cannot reduce entropy that doesn't exist in the first place.
    – Zulan
    Aug 26, 2013 at 19:36

Nope, the picture on the left of the password field has nothing to do with the security of the login process. This is, sadly, a "usability" feature. It's called a Visual Hash (here's an example). Actually, the avatar you're currently using is an example of visual hashes.

Because Lotus Notes displays a random number of X in the password field, the "ingenious" R&D team at Lotus (and later, IBM) thought that displaying a picture according to the entered password will help the user keep track of the entered password so far.

That picture is a result of specially hashing the password as you type it and choosing the corresponding picture according to that hash. For example, if your password is MyPass1sAwesomeY3ah, as you enter MyPass1s you'll see a certain image corresponding to that password, and when enter the next character your password becomes MyPass1sA you'll see a different one, and so on.

The more you login, the more your brain begins to notice and memorize the patterns and sequences of those images, so later you'll instinctively know when there's something wrong. For example, after you type MyPass1s, you accidentally type a B, you'll be shown a different picture and you'd know, on a subconscious level, that there's something wrong and you'd back up and change that letter.

Personally, I think it's stupid.

  • Very interesting, I had no idea. Great answer. Aug 26, 2013 at 17:14
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    "you'd know, on a subconscious level, that there's something wrong and you'd back up and change that letter" - I have heard this notion before and it is utterly ridiculous. (I guess you think so too.) It does not match my experience, or that of anyone I have talked to. Did they test whether this feature works? Or is it just another reason that Lotus Notes is rubbish? Aug 27, 2013 at 2:47
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    Hm. Somehow your post only gives arguments in favour of this technique. Your conclusion, “it’s stupid” is so far unsubstantiated. And yet this garners tons of upvotes. Maybe the implied reason for its stupidity is obvious to everybody else but I kind of wish you’d spelled it out instead of just bashing it (well, we are talking about Lotus Notes here, so go right ahead with that). Aug 27, 2013 at 9:25
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    +1 to @KonradRudolph, I didn't get why you consider it stupid either.
    – avakar
    Aug 27, 2013 at 11:24
  • Heads up all.. The web.archive.org link gets flagged as a 'page containing malware' by kaspersky...
    – NULLZ
    Aug 27, 2013 at 11:35

At a previous workplace we were using Lotus. I remember asking the guy who installed it for us about that exact feature. He said "this will help you know when you enter the wrong character before submitting the password".

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